Yesterday, while going through
Crouch history materials, I came upon two small glass encased
photographs which were identified on the back as Grandma and Grandpa
Crouch. This id was written by my grandmother Ollie Crouch Moore to whom
the pictures belonged. This would mean the man pictured is Ambrose Crouch
. The picture of Julia is identical to the one on your website. Each
picture has been securely taped on the back side with an inscription to
"please take care of it." Before I attempt to scan the pictures, I want
to consult with a photo expert at the Filson Historical Society in
Louisville. I am absolutely thrilled with my "find" and am anxious
to share them with my Crouch kin as soon as I can safely do so.
Also, I want to share with you
that the account about Papa Crouch and his twin and the exchange of
clothing during the Civil War, comes from page 170 of Joe Creason`s book,
Crossroads and Coffee Trees. Creason , a writer for
The Courier-Journal newspaper interviewed my grandmother regarding
the account and published the news story long before he wrote the book.
Gwinn Thompson Hahn,
gggrandaughter of Ambrose and Julia Huffstetter Crouch
(dated January 14, 2008)
To call this remarkable is understatement. I'm not
updating the remainder of the page, because the history and speculation
about a picture of Ambrose is interesting.
The photograph was printed on glass. When it was
mailed to Myra it was not carefully packed and broke in transit. The woman
is certainly less than 40 years old. The picture would date from the 1850's
or earlier. My original posting showed the cracks from the broken glass. I
was never happy with my efforts to remove them.
Julie Meredith finally did
the restoration. It's a remarkable job. The work around the eye is artistry.
I'm including the original scan to show what is possible.
Still no picture of Ambrose.
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once told that the only picture of Ambrose was buried with Julia Ann in her
You canít help but wonder where the
original picture is that they used to make the picture in the locket.
Below is the front and back of another version of
the portrait. It was supplied by Cathryn Cates
- Palmer Crouch's granddaughter. The Fresno,
CA connection leads me to connect it with Julia's son,
John Crittenden Crouch. He was
15 and living with her when she died. He later moved to Madera, CA, which is
north of Fresno and had his own portrait made in Fresno - though it is
unclear if he ever actually lived in Fresno himself. The glass plate would
be the original and this a copy.
Julia Ann Huffstutter
Crouch - Stephen Douglas Crouch's mother
opting for a spelling from the family search website - Myra who is accurate
about these things spells it Hufstutter)
Born - April 15, 1820
Marriage - Ambrose Dudley Crouch - January 31, 1839
Died - August 23, 1881
Julie has located this copy of the full, but sadly,
It does give more perspective and detail
Myra says this version was made in Stillwater, OK
point, I noticed from the bigger picture of Julia Ann, that where the glass
is cracked, the image is missing. That is a pretty good sign that the image
was printed on glass, meaning it was an Ambrotype. The Ambrotype appeared
in the mid 1850s. By 1856 the Ambrotype enjoyed a short-lived period of
popularity. In 1856, the Tintype method was introduced, and soon took over
That gives us
a pretty good time period for Julia Annís picture. Give that she was born
in 1820, she would be between 34 and 36 in the image. Iíll look into a bit
deeper, but on the surface, thatís what the dating appears to be.
the image from a descendent of John Crittenden Crouch. That is consistent
given that the copy Margaretís family had was a reprint made in California
and that is were John lived.
To be complete, I
have included the version of the Julia photograph that Gwinn Hahn
located with the picture of Ambrose.
more distant persons on this site I paste information
from this linked site Jeanette Wheeler has accumulated a great deal of
information concerning the Crouch family
CROUCH was born 19 Feb 1817 in Bourbon, KY, USA, and died 23 Apr 1879 in
Washington, KY, USA. He married JULIA
31 Jan 1839 in Nicholas, KY, USA, daughter of JOHN
She was born 15 Apr 1820 in Nicholas, KY, USA, and died 23 Aug 1881 in
Willisburg, Washington, KY, USA.
Notes for AMBROSE
1850 Willisburg, Washington KY Ambrose & Julia are living with father
Jonathan, and Harrison Crouch and his wife, in Johanthan's home.
1860 Willisburg, Washington KY father Jonathan is living with them, widowed
As to the
Crouch farm, I just got the details from my brother David. In June 1998, he
and my sister Ann went to Kentucky. They were looking for the graves of
Ambrose Dudley and Julia Ann. They spoke with the Sextant who had written a
book on the history of Willisburg. He took them around the cemetery and
showed them the graves (I have pictures) and said, you'll probably want to
see the old farm as well. So he drew them a map of how to get to it. - Julie
The picture you inquired about
was made at my grandmother Ollie Crouch Moore`s homeplace on Polin Road
about two miles west of
Willisburg. Pictured are Papa Crouch(Martin Van Buren) and his
wife, Elizabeth. Standing is Ollie`s oldest daughter, Elizabeth Van Moore
born March 27, 1914. She married Cecil Kays and she is an active 93 years
young, living in
Harrodsburg, Ky. Seated in the baby buggy is Ollie and W.R.
Moore`s second child, Corinne born August 16,1915. She married Marshall
Ryan. Corinne lived at
Willisburg and died in 1987. The land on which the house that is
pictured sits is part of the large plot of land originally owned by
Ambrose Crouch. The original Crouch homesite is a few miles south of this
location. Martin`s sons, Richard and Barbour lived and owned property
across the road (Polin Rd) before they relocated to
Illinois. According to my mother,Devola Moore Haag, Papa Crouch
built the house on Polin Road soon after his marriage to Elizabeth . His
son Barbour was eleven years old at the time which would put the building
date to 1879. I have heard my grandmother tell the story about her
brother, Edwin, removing the mantel from the old homeplace and moving it
by wagon to the Polin road site. The mantel was built by Jesse Head, a
cabinetmaker for the Lincoln family who lived not far from the original
Crouch homestead. The Polin road house was sold after my grandmother`s
death in 1980 and has since been torn away and replaced with a new house.
Fortunately, I was able to purchase the mantel from the new owner and my
sister incorporated it into a new home she was building at the time.
Larry, this is a quite long response to your question regarding id of the
picture, but I thought you`d like to know. More to follow!
Jesse Head is more than a
cabinetmaker. He was also the minister who married Lincoln's parents.
Grave Stones of Ambrose and Julia Crouch
February 19, 1817 - April 23, 1879
If you have information or photographs concerning the
descendants of Stephen Douglas Crouch or the Barton County village of Nashville,
Missouri, please contact me. I share my pictures and I return any photographs
entrusted to me promptly.